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To: rcymbala@yahoo.com
CC: mail@aidsmyth.com
Subject: American Imperialist Dumb Shit propaganda (07)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:25:34 +0200
Organization: Volvo
American Imperialist Dumb Shit propaganda (07)
[Posted: 22.05.01]
This item contains the following parts:
A: A reply to Robert J. Cymbala, who asked, "Is there a
discussion list which debates the existence of AIDS?"
B: A quote from my posting on 13.08.2000, 'UNITE! Info
#129en: The "AIDS virus" terror hoax'
C: A list of websites with scientific information on
"HIV/AIDS"
D: A recent note from the editors of one of these sites,
http://aidsmyth.com, about its being banned by
revisionist (phony"socialist", bourgeois) China
E: A recent letter from Karl Krafeld and Dr. Stefan Lanka,
Germany, to many recipients including all heads of
government and all heads of state, on:
Legal proceedings against the "Deutscher Bundestag",
the Parliament of the Federal Republic of Germany: Be-
cause of the intentional continuation of acts of kil-
ling and manslaughter (sect. 220a StGB Germany) by the Ger-
man Parliament,
since, in connection with "HIV/AIDS":
"The State intentionally is using non-valid tests to
persuade healthy persons to take a deadly long-term
medication...".
(Letter quoted from www.virusmyth.com. This lawsuit in
my opinion is a very important action which merits
every support and which should be emulated elsewhere
too, not least in the USA)
A. REPLY ON WHERE TO FIND DISCUSSION ON "HIV/AIDS"
Robert J. Cymbala ,
You wrote, to the so-called "Marxist" mailing list on 17.05:
>Is there a discussion list which debates the existence of
>AIDS? I can think of a few well-educated people who think
>that it's a serious question. Of course, it's a question
>that isn't meant to be debated on every discussion list under
>the sun.
>-RJC,
quoting what John Lacny, USA, had written to that list as mo-
derator of it, on 08.05:
[Lacny:]
>>I have expelled the bigot and disruptor Rolf Martens. There
>>are some people who make it a habit of spamming discussion
>>lists of all kinds in a bizarre attempt to get attention. I
>>don't think any of us want to waste any time "debating" the
>>existence of AIDS with a character like Martens, so rest
>>assured he won't be bothering us in the future. Please
>>continue with the more constructive political discussions.
It seems that you haven't gotten any reply to your question on
that "discussion list" itself, Robert, which is only natural
and what to be expected from certain people who have the gall
to call themselves "Marxists".
I however want to reply to it. And I'm making this reply a
public one too. The question of the existence or non-existence
of "AIDS" (and/or of a "virus" "HIV", which is more or less the
same question) indeed is a serious one, and of international
concern. Why it in my opinion merits debate on every forum, for
instance, which in any way is genuinely concerned with Marxism
I hope will be explained by those other parts of this series
item which I'm adding to this direct reply to you.
I on my part got to know the basic facts on "HIV/AIDS" only
in August 2000, after Annick Lambert, Canada , co-supporter of the just defence struggle
of the DR Congo, in a mail i.a. had directed my attention to
the site www.virusmyth.com. For this important tip I'm very
grateful to him.
Any mailing lists dedicated to debating the existence of
"AIDS" (etc) I actually don't know about at the moment. There
probably are several. But I can tell you about one newsgroup,
for instance: 'misc.health.aids' (heavily infested with CIA
agents - which is natural, cf below, but also with some honest
people on it). And there's also a debate forum on the important
website www.virusmyth.com (one of those listed below).
In the following item parts, I'm adding some information which
I hope that you and others may find to be of interest.
My being kicked out of that ridiculously-named "Marxist" list
with the abovequoted "reason" given for it is a matter which
I won't dwell on here, except for saying that Mr. Lacny's
(and some other people's) fanatical support of that "HIV/AIDS"
lie and murder campaign of the imperialists' probably wasn't
the only reason for it. I also had been unmasking some other
arch-reactionary dealings which this kind of "Leftists" are
equally fanatical about trying to cover up.
I'm sending this also to a number of other e-mail addresses,
to the mailing lists "Down With Capitalism" and "congokin_
opinions" as well as to several newsgroups.
Regards,
Rolf M.
Malmoe, Sweden
B. A QUOTE FROM MY 'UNITE! Info #129en: The "AIDS virus"
terror hoax' (IN 2 PARTS) OF 13.08.2000
[QUOTE:]
Since the early 1980s, there is an international propaganda
saying that there is a "new" disease, or rather, "syndrome", in
the world, called "AIDS" ("Acquired Immuno-Deficiency Syn-
drome").
This is FALSE. THERE IS NO "AIDS". THERE NEVER WAS ANY.
The scientists who have refuted the lies on this subject and
whose articles you'll find at www.virusmyth.com are not putting
the above proposition in this way. *I'm* doing this. But they,
since long, are saying what amounts to the same thing.
......
WHAT IS BEING CALLED "AIDS" IN REALITY IS A NUMBER OF
ACTUAL DISEASES, KNOWN ALSO BEFORE THE EARLY 1980S.
......
Since 23 April 1984...[NOTE added now: when there was a cer-
tain press conference of the US imperialists', propagandized
in a big way - RM] there is a massive international propa-
ganda saying that the purported "new" disease or syndrome is
"caused by a virus" - by a purportedly existing such, since
then referred to as "HIV" ("Human Immunodeficiency Virus").
This is FALSE. WHAT IS BEING CALLED "AIDS" IS *NOT*
CAUSED BY A VIRUS.
That is, IT IS *NOT* INFECTIOUS, WHETHER SEXUALLY-
TRANSFERRED OR OTHERWISE. THERE IS *NO* "AIDS EPIDEMIC",
NOT ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. THERE NEVER WAS ONE.
What is being called "AIDS" in North America and Europe in
reality is mainly caused by MASSIVE "RECREATIONAL" DRUG USE.
Also, many people have died of a poisonous purported "medicine
against AIDS", AZT, prescribed because of the propaganda.
......
What is being called "AIDS" in Africa in reality is caused by
MALNUTRITION, ACTUAL INFECTIOUS DISEASES and not least
PARASITIC DISEASES, in particular MALARIA.
......
Not long after the 1984 press conference mentioned above...
there also was a "counter-rumour" in some media. It said that
"this virus" might be "the result of" "a laboratory experiment
gone wrong in the USA", or even willed "biological warfare" on
the part of the US imperialists.
......
But this theory demonstrably is quite wrong too. "AIDS" is NOT
caused by a virus, whether naturally-existing or somehow man-
made.
......
This theory or rumour no doubt has been at least encouraged
precisely by those same arch-reactionaries, and it's possible
that it was they who started it in the first place.
The reactionaries "needed", and still "need", a "theory" which
is "plausible" also to those - quite many - who are, justly,
very suspicious about the US imperialists and prone to doubt
what a US government may say publicly, a "theory" which however
avoids disclosing, and in fact helps hide, that main fact that
"AIDS" is NOT caused by any virus at all.
[END OF QUOTE]
C. A LIST OF WEBSITES WITH SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION ON
"HIV/AIDS" (RM)
Sites with scientific information on "AIDS" & "HIV"
(both of which are *non-existent* entities - since the
early/mid-1980s, for purely terrorist propagandistic
reasons, *purported* by the imperialists to exist):
HIV & AIDS - Reappraising AIDS-Homepage [Eleni Papadopulos-
Eleopulos, Val Turner and others, Perth, Australia, etc]:
www.virusmyth.com
Health Education Aids Liaison (HEAL), Toronto:
www.healtoronto.com
AIDS-INFO.NET [Stefan Lanka etc, Germany]:
http://aids-info.net/micha/hiv/aids/ain_index.htm
Mythos-HIV [Michael Leitner, Germany]
http://www.mythos-hiv.de
What if HIV does NOT cause AIDS? [Christine Maggiore, USA]:
www.aliveandwell.com
World Without AIDS [Credence Publications, UK]:
www.credence.org
AidsMyth [Fintan Dunne & Kathy McMahon, Ireland]:
www.aidsmyth.com
List updated May 2001 - RM
D: A NOTE ON 17.03.2001 BY THE EDITORS OF THE WEBSITE
http://aidsmyth.com, ABOUT THAT SITE'S BEING BANNED
BY REVISIONIST (PHONY"SOCIALIST", BOURGEOIS) CHINA
[QUOTE:]
AIDSMYTH.com BANNED by CHINA
Banned by China? We must be doing something right!
http://aidsmyth.com and our sister site http://eionews.com
(both run from Ireland) have been blocked by Chinese authori-
ties, according to our local sources there.
AidsMyth.com presents the arguments of reforming scientists and
campaigners who dispute that the HI virus is the certain cause
of AIDS. We support the South African President, Thabo Mbeki,
who has included the marginalized scientists on his panel of
inquiry into AIDS in Africa.
As leader of the revolutionary ANC, Thabo Mbeki's rethink - if
heard, would carry special weight in communist China - if
heard. [NOTE: And if China today still *were* socialist. - RM]
His dangerous questioning of "AIDS Inc." might hinder the re-
cent expansion of the AIDS bandwagon there.
AIDS reformers warn that malnutrition and poverty are the real
health threat - not AIDS. Articles in our internet newspaper
http://eionews.com maintain that AIDS is powered by social
scapegoating and racism, fostered by corporate greed and foun-
ded on sloppy science.
Fintan Dunne & Kathy McMahon
Co-Editors
http://aidsmyth.com
---Banned in China---
Now 100,000 Visitors
with help from friends
HOSTED ON AIDSMYTH:
http://azt.aidsmyth.com 'Debating AZT' book by Anthony Brink,
SA barrister
http://jack.aidsmyth.com JACK India AIDS Activist News
http://onair.aidsmyth.com Eva Binder's Rethinkers On Air audio
site
REGULAR FEATURES:
http://eionews.com/medicalmeltdown.htm Health News by Michael
Ellner, HEAL
http://eionews..com/forwomen.htm Essential AIDS information
for women
http://eionews.com/organop.htm Mad Cows or Mad Science?
http://eionews.com/cowlib.htm Bovine Republican Army (Humor)
http://eionews.com/eiorecent.htm Recent Top Stories
http://eionews.com/eiotoday.htm Latest News
Issued by:
http://eionews.com
Feedback:
news@eionews.com
TEL +353-87-937-3637
[END OF QUOTE]
E: A LETTER ON 14.03.2001 FROM KARL KRAFELD AND DR.
STEFAN LANKA, ON LEGAL PROCEEDINGS AGAINST THE
PARLIAMENT OF GERMANY
[QUOTE from www.virusmyth.com:]
To the OHCHR-UNOG
The Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights,
Mary Robinson
The United Nations Centre for Human Rights, United Nations
Office at Geneva
8-14 Avenue de la Paix
1211 Geneva 10, Switzerland
To all Heads of Government and all Heads of State
To all NGOs
Legal proceedings against the "Deutscher Bundestag", the
Parliament of the Federal Republic of Germany: Because of the
intentional continuation of acts of killing and manslaughter
(sect. 220a StGB Germany) by the German Parliament.
During the last six years proofs have been collected for the
following actions that have taken place inside Germany:
The State intentionally is using non-valid tests to persuade
healthy persons to take a deadly long-term medication. The
persons, being healthy before being tested die during the
long-term-medication. The German Parliament, since years
intentionally is securing that this crime continues.
Course of Events on January 15th 2001 at the District Court
(Landgericht) of Dortmund:
Judge Hackmann announced the statement of the "Bundesgesund-
heitsbehorde", the Federal German Health Authorities, which
says that in connection with AIDS there has never been
isolated a virus (Dr. Marcus, Robert-Koch-Institute (RKI)
Berlin). The judge figured out that the German Bundestag had
been backing the lie of the Federal Health Authorities (RKI,
Dr. Marcus, 9.3.95) about a successful isolation of a virus in
connection with AIDS in the course of a petition (Art. 17,
Constitution of the Federal Republic of Germany, Pet. 5-13-15-
2002-010526).
The trial was based on actions of the defendant which were
caused by the misleading statement made by the RKI (Dr. Marcus)
on the 9th March 1995, that there were photographs of the
isolated HI-virus inside the publications of Montagnier (1983)
and Gallo (1984). The judge proved the untruthfulness of this
statement using Dr. Marcus‘ statement itself. The court imposed
a suspended sentence of 8 months of jail because of attempted
coercion of the authorities to adhere and act according to law
and order.
The document of the German Bundestag DS 12/8591 holds proof
that the Bundestag had already known in 1994 that neither
Montagnier (1983) nor Gallo (1984) had isolated any virus in
connection with AIDS. Based on this the Bundestag safeguarded
the persistent lie of the AIDS information campaign (RKI) from
9th March 1995 about the successful isolation of a virus in
connection with AIDS. As a consequence of non-tolerating this
lie and because of non-tolerating the deadly consequences of
this lie, the trial took place on 15th January 2001.
It is impossible - as far as laboratory conditions are
concerned - to develop a valid Virus-antibody-test, if the
virus has not been isolated before. Every layman understands
that an individual proof for an infection with a virus is
impossible, if the existence of the virus has never been
generally proven. This knowledge of the German health
authorities, that the tests are not validated, can be proven
via the authorities‘ documents themselves. The error concerning
the test’s validity is spread and supported by the authorities
- against better knowledge.
With two more petitions the Bundestag safeguarded the default
of the responsible authorities, not to carry out the law (sect. 63
AMG, Stufenplan II), to do studies and observations to protect
persons taking the AIDS-Medicine, the chemotherapy AZT (Pet.
5-13-15-2002-058744 and Pet. 5-13-15-212-023567a).
The health authorities and the Bundestag know that there will
be no test method to prove an HIV-Infection, as long as HIV has
not been isolated. And there is no doubt that AZT - as well as
the HIV-medications in general - are deadly themselves when
used as long-term-medication.
In the course of the proceedings of the petitions the Bundestag
created an apparent peace of law - by means of deliberately
untruthful statements. President of the German Parliament
Wolfgang Thierse regards untruthful behaviour of this kind (as
shown by the Bundestag) as being justified by the Bundesver-
fassungsgericht (Federal Constitutional Court). A videotape
documenting an interview (28th June 1995) shows that his pre-
decessor in office, Prof. Rita Sussmuth did know, that there
had never been any proofs for a virus in connection with AIDS
and that there are no proofs for the claims of infectivitiy.
Still pending in the Bundestag is the petition Pet. 2-14-15-
212-02608. It is lodging a complaint against the legal
authorities, which stayed passive after getting the attention
of the proofs for these act of killings. Enclosed with the
complaint were so many proofs, which had made it necessary for
the Bundestag to take actions right after perusal, to stop the
continuation of these acts of killings by the state. Within the
last six months every single member of the German Bundestag was
informed six times via mail about these acts of killing by the
state.
The intention of the German Bundestag to safeguard killings by
the state after gaining insight into the facts must be regarded
as proven, especially because of the fact that several peti-
tions were rejected by means of untruthful statements. The
German Bundestag and every individual member of the Bundestag
intentionally safeguards acts of killings by the state by de-
liberately misleading the public. Healthy people are inten-
tionally lead into a deadly medication via tests with invalid
results - and then die.
The criminal law of the BRD and especially sect. 220a StGB (Geno-
cide) protects citizens from act of killings organised by a
state which is deliberately misleading the public. It also
protects the citizens binding the legal authorities to take
actions after perusal. The prosecuting attorneys attended the
trial on 15th January 2001 at the Landgericht Dortmund and
learned about the facts - in front of the public. Their passi-
vity afterwards serves as a further proof for their further
intention in this matter. (LG Dortmund, Ns 70 Js 878/99
14(XVII) K 11/00)
Karl Krafeld and Dr. Stefan Lanka, Dortmund and Stuttgart,
14.3.2001
Science, Medicine and Human Rights (Wissenschaft, Medizin und
Menschenrechte e.V.), Germany
Albrechtstr. 17, D-44137 Dortmund, 0711 2220601,
Lanka@free.de
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